08 August 2008 @ 03:59 pm
BD and racism. Spoiler alert again!  
Today, [info]macbeaner pointed out this blog post to me. It's by a published author named Alisa. I left a comment in response to it, but it warned me that the owner of the blog gets to screen comments, so:


A friend of mine brought your blog to my attention today. I just finished reading BD. I hope everyone else has too, because there are going to be some spoilers in my response.

The first thing I want to say is in response to your comment that: No author with the skill that Stephenie Meyer possesses does anything in her books by accident. Meyer is a brand new writer. She's finished five books, and had them published in record time. Her skill is - good. But not fabulous. She's not Tolkien. She's not even Rowling. I think if you are trying to paint her as a pro at this, then you're lying to yourself. (It seems to me that a large part of the plot of BD was done by accident. In another conversation, I'd be asking you if you truly found it that skillfully written.....)

Passing over all the ways in which you've stretched the vampiric palor to symbolize caucasian (and then turned around and pointed out that Laurent is played by a black man), let's look at the attitudes the characters have towards Jacob Black in particular.

In New Moon, when Bella is trying to decide how to tell Jacob that she's willing to try for something more than just friendship, she says she'll have to phrase it just right so that he knows she isn't settling. So that she makes it clear to him that he's much too good for her. Does THAT sound like the author thinks Jacob Black is inferior? Her main character clearly doesn't.

Charlie - Bella's father who would want what is best for her, always - prefers Jacob to Edward through two of the four books. We don't get to hear much of what he thinks in book four, but I'd be willing to guess he preferred Jake then, too.

Even the hapless (but not a "total loser" as you claim) Mike Newton clearly expresses a preference for Jake, if Bella HAS to have one of the two monsters.

Also, the werewolves are not painted as evil. They are friends to the Cullen family, and when the Denali vampires (pale or "white", all of them) take exception to their presence, it's pointed out to them that the werewolves stood by the Cullens when they Denali vampires had not. Does THAT make them out to be inferior? It certainly doesn't seem so.

And finally, the spoiler. Avert your eyes if you haven't finished BD. By the end of the book, Bella is ready to send the most important person in her life - the most important person who will EVER be in her life - off alone with the person she most trusts, the one she's sure will be able to take care of her. She's prepared to send her daughter off alone with Jacob Black - Quileute Indian, and Werewolf.

So, really, if she's entrusting her daughter to him - out of all the assembled vampires and werewolves - HOW is it that you come to the conclusion that he's treated as an "inferior" character? If BELLA thought Jacob was "sinful," as you refer to him, do you really think she'd send her daughter off with HIM for safe-keeping? Nowhere that I've noticed has Meyer EVER so much as hinted that Jake might be "sinful" - except when she wanted to disprove it. A plot device you mention using, yourself, isn't it?

You've clearly done your homework on the Mormon religion. You probably know a lot more about it than I do. But here's the thing: when you read ANY book, you can find what you're looking for. You can find political commentary or vague allusions to current events, or religions or famous people. You can find something to like and something to hate, and you can find something to make the author look however you THINK the author ought to look. Right now I'm asking myself why you read this series thinking that it ought to make Meyer look like a racist.

Because I can see the shaky parallels you've drawn, but I can't see the intent in Meyer's writing. I can only see the intent in YOURS.

I will be very disappointed if many people see value in what you've written here. In the end of the book, Meyer didn't have to MAKE Jacob good in order to do the "morally right thing," because Jacob was good all the way through. His character faltered only briefly. Edward's character went through a similar faltering in NM when he nearly went hunting in Volturi. So, even there the two are on equal footing.

I hope you will take a step back and try to read the books without looking for some ulterior motive. MOST authors don't write like that, as I'm sure you know. I think if you are not LOOKING for racism, you will not find it so often. Good luck to you.

-Daintress


EDIT: Looks like she's taken down her blog post. A shame, since I didn't get to see what she responded to my comment, though I understand from several people that she DID at least let my comment through the queue. If anyone remembers what she said, let me know?

EDIT 2: NO! I'm wrong. She didn't take it down. It got moved. It appears to be here:
http://alisavaldesrodriguez.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-08-08T15%3A18%3A00-07%3A00
But you have to scroll down.
 
 
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[Cez]: [dexter] empty[info]nyaza on August 8th, 2008 08:17 pm (UTC)
oh.
[Cez]: [dexter] empty[info]nyaza on August 8th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
sorry for my so expresive comment. I was a bit shocked. Anyway, it surprises me how people can be so judmental on stuff without really understanding them or knowing them.

it also amazes me how she is saying meyer is a racist and blames it to her religion, and therefore, becomes what she's supposedly critizising.

ppl amaze me sometimes, and not in good ways. i think your comment was perfect.

(sorry for any horrible mistakes in my english...!).
She who writes at night: Hands[info]author_by_night on August 8th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
it also amazes me how she is saying meyer is a racist and blames it to her religion, and therefore, becomes what she's supposedly critizising.

Agreed. Then again, I'm annoyed by the "well she's Mormon" argument altogether; I admit I don't like the sounds of the book at all, but it's nothing to do with her being Mormon. I know a very lovely Mormon, too, and a singer I admire is Mormon... Mormonism /=/ evil.
Daintress[info]daintress on August 9th, 2008 12:50 am (UTC)
I just could not even believe what I was reading. It just seemed so obviously fabricated. *shakes head* Hopefully no one will take her seriously.
[Cez][info]nyaza on August 9th, 2008 03:40 am (UTC)
That's what scares me of this things, that though most poeple is intelligent enough to see that just plain stupidity, there are others that won't, specially if they know nothing about the book. I hate that theres so blind people that in the end, mean it or not, end up blinding other too. If that makes sense u_u.
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:40 pm (UTC)
Well, she isn't going to give people an opportunity to fall for it. It appears that she's removed the post. Personally, I think she owes Meyer an apology. It seems clear to me that THAT was attempted character assasination, and I can only hope Meyer never had to read it!
[Cez][info]nyaza on August 10th, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
Well, better off than there at least. And yes, apologies should be given (i'm pretty sure that sentence is not correect, sorry) but somehow I doubt it will be done. u_u
xalcottx[info]xalcottx on August 8th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
Great job!

Don't you feel that everyone has to get on the bandwagon somewhere along the line? Speaking before they actually know what they are discussing.
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:41 pm (UTC)
I don't think she was uninformed. I suspect, instead, that she was being malicious. I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, though. She DID at least take the post down......
Ruth is not Amy: WTF[info]arsenalamy on August 8th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
Wow. Just wow.

I read the blog before I read your response - after reading your response I think you hit the nail on the head.

The author of the blog clearly has an issue with Mormons and has decided to pick apart the Twilight series with that in mind.

I did enjoy the way she didn't argue with you - I suspect she was unable to counter your arguments.

I dislike enormously this idea that everything has to have some sort of ulterior motive - I'm glad you pointed the flaws in her argument out!
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
Maybe it was an issue with Mormons, or perhaps she was just jealous of Meyer's success and looking for a way to be cruel. I don't really know, though I suspect the latter. Anyway, it seems she took the post down. :)
RedDawn07[info]reddawn07 on August 9th, 2008 12:17 am (UTC)
Wow. People like that leave me speechless. If you go looking for it you are sure to find it - no matter how you have to twist the material to get there.

Your response to her was very good and hard to refute. It looks like she didn't have much to say after that.
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
I wish I had gotten to see her response before she took down the post altogether. I suppose her lawyers finally talked some sense into her. Lol!
forever_dawn78[info]forever_dawn78 on August 9th, 2008 12:59 am (UTC)
Three cheers, Daintress. I find it funny how her reply to your comment was to dismiss the topic at hand.... Moving on! ;)
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
Darn! I didn't get there in time. Her post and any response she might have left to my comment are all gone. :(

So....I commented to her next topic instead. Lol!
Dee Michelle: D Butterfly[info]deemichelle on August 9th, 2008 03:08 am (UTC)
You know what? I'm glad you showed this to us, and I can't believe what I read on the author's blog.

I'm glad you took a stand and wrote what you did. I hope that more people see ... actually SEE that she is wrong. Very very very wrong.
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
I think to some extent she might have come to that conclusion herself, as she took down her post entirely. She does REFER to it in her post about Ursula Le Guin, though, so I took the time to respond to that, instead. ;)
macbeaner[info]macbeaner on August 10th, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
the link is gone. I didn't get to read it. drat it all.
Daintress[info]daintress on August 10th, 2008 06:45 pm (UTC)
That's alright, it was a load of crap anyway. Lol!

I didn't get to see her response to my comment, though folks have implied that it was fairly useless......
macbeaner[info]macbeaner on August 10th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
I hit it through her website. She basically said she was done with the post or something. She continued for the next three posts to bash Ms Meyer. I finally posted and said that while she was entitled to her opinion, it was unprofessional as a published author to bash another author's work. :P
(Anonymous) on August 11th, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC)
Ignore the crazy
Alisa has a long history of crying racism when she wants attention. Meyer joins a long line of people who were attacked by this woman, including Oprah, the entire staff of the LA Times, and random frenemies that never knew what hit them. If you really want to be entertained read her famous resignation letter to the LA Times http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/alisa_rodriguez.htm

Now her latest chick lit novel is tanking and she wants people to pay attention to her. What better way than to attack someone more successful?
Daintress[info]daintress on September 29th, 2008 02:37 pm (UTC)
Re: Ignore the crazy
I haven't yet taken a look at that, but I think I will. After several exchanges with her, I'm really just not impressed. I doubt I will ever purchase one of her books. :P But I might enjoy that resignation letter. Lol! Thanks!
exgymnastbritt[info]gymnastbritt on September 30th, 2008 11:01 pm (UTC)
whoa
yeah i just read the post, and then all the comments...
pretty much agree with you. i never even saw the chance for racism until i read the blog, and even then, i don't agree with it. jacob has pretty much an equal amount of positives and negatives as edward.
bravo for commenting =]
Daintress[info]daintress on October 1st, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think that chick has a mental deficiency. She sees racism everywhere - whether there's any there or not. *shrugs* I don't think I'll be visiting her journal anymore.